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Trans_Isomer
August 25th, 2005, 06:51 PM
Hope this helps clear a lot of confusion on when to take your creatine!

Originally Posted by Author L Rea
The body has 3 periods when creatine uptake is highest:

After A Nights Sleep

After a nights sleep, the body is in a fasted stated due to a period of natural GH pulses (about half of your daily total GH production is released during the first 4 hours of sleep) and a prolonged period without nutrients. This results in an up-regulation of nutrient transporters and enzymes which favor intramuscular uptake of nutrients, including Creatine.

Ingestion 45-90 Minutes Before A Work-out

When Creatine is ingested 45-90 minutes before a work-out, an athlete can take advantage of the training induced increases in blood flow to muscle tissue to transport essential nutrients across muscle cell membranes. (This also acts as a buffer to lactic acid).

Since high intensity work-outs trigger the release of adrenal hormones such as Epinephrine and Norepinephrine, the cellular uptake of nutrients is improved. Remember, Ephedrine increases cellular uptake? Well Ephedrine is an Epinephrine Mimicker.

The First 45-90 Minutes Following A Work-out

Within the first 45-90 minutes following an intense work-out, the body is in a very nutrient receptive state. Heavy training reduces muscle glycogen stores (glycogen comes from blood sugars such as carbs) and receptor-sites for nutrients become sensitive.

This means the body is in a catabolic state requiring nutrient supply. Several storage enzymes are up-regulated and creatine (CP) levels are lower which of course means intramuscular nutrient storage ability is at a high level. It also means the muscle cells need ATP regeneration.

shuttaLCD
August 26th, 2005, 08:41 AM
Trans,

Great article,
Helped me out alot...I am gonna follow this pattern....


Thanks


-Shutta

Trans_Isomer
August 26th, 2005, 12:45 PM
Shutta,
it is a pretty good little article, should help for some better gains with your creatine, glad you liked it!

shuttaLCD
August 26th, 2005, 08:33 PM
Shutta,
it is a pretty good little article, should help for some better gains with your creatine, glad you liked it!

Yea i really do like this article....I just got my XC4 in today and i have yet to try this...

keep up the great work


-Shutta

max von
August 27th, 2005, 06:23 PM
Trans Im going to follow this when I try CEE. Looks pretty good, I think that will help me as I have never had alot of luck with creatine.

Thanks for taking the time to post it

max von

Trans_Isomer
August 27th, 2005, 09:36 PM
Trans Im going to follow this when I try CEE. Looks pretty good, I think that will help me as I have never had alot of luck with creatine.

Thanks for taking the time to post it

max von

Hope this helps, your body should be more primed for creatine uptake during these times, good luck!

Trans_Isomer
September 22nd, 2005, 09:04 PM
This is an interesting graph showing plasma creatine concentrations, time vs. concentration. This should also help out with your creatine timing.

http://jap.physiology.org/content/vol89/issue3/images/medium/dg0900152001.gif

max von
September 22nd, 2005, 11:45 PM
This is an interesting graph showing plasma creatine concentrations, time vs. concentration. This should also help out with your creatine timing.

http://jap.physiology.org/content/vol89/issue3/images/medium/dg0900152001.gif

That is nice I am going to try this with my Orotine that I am testing

dinoiii
September 24th, 2005, 11:41 AM
From the graphs, I am not certain I see the big advantage from the "placebo." My question because I did not know what article this comes from. Is this serum concentration graph from pre-saturated creatine receptors? If so, these results seem to make feasible sense. If not, it almost seems as though there is little benefit of EVER ingesting creatine again, from the graphs shown.

dinoiii
September 24th, 2005, 11:44 AM
Also, "treatment" is in reference to what? point of ingestion? If this is the case, I question how applicable these results are to the average weight-trained athlete or if this comes from hospitalized patients?

Creatine + placebo or Protein + CHO should happen in the immediate post-workout time frame, not 30 minutes after a workout which is what these graphs appear to boast. I don't agree with there placement in this thread.

Trans_Isomer
November 21st, 2005, 10:38 AM
Just noticed your comment dinoii, lol

A very interesting read on creatine:
http://jap.physiology.org/cgi/reprint/89/3/1165

dinoiii
November 21st, 2005, 10:13 PM
Briefly pawed through it. Will give thoughts on it later - no time this evening, but it looks interesting and is an article I have not caught in the past so thank you for pointing it out.

Trans_Isomer
November 21st, 2005, 10:38 PM
I look forward to your thoughts on it :)