X-Factor/Body Octane Log

[dwm230000]

I started this on August 10th on another forum. I decided I want to keep it in here also since many of the members here have tried X-Factor(and kept some good logs) and I may have some questions or need some advice with it later(hoping you guys can help me out). I am going to copy and paste the first three days and then keep the rest of the log on here.

[dwm230000]

August 10th

Tomorrow, I am going to begin a 50 day X-Factor/Body Octane log. I am mid-bulk at the moment and will be continuing to bulk throughout the trial. This is not my first time using Body Octane but will be my first experience with X-Factor. After all the positive feedback I've seen on here about X-Factor, I decided I have to give it a try.


Diet:
I will be taking in approximately 3500 calories daily(Maintenance for me is around 2800).
- 500g carbs
- 250g protein
- 55g fat


Supplementation:
Supplements that I take currently that I will stop taking for the trial(because of X-Factor):
- Sesathin
- Fish Oil
- Glucosamine
- Chondroitin
- MSM
- Celadrin
Note: I will also be stopping creatine for at least the first half of the trial(not because of X-Factor). I am not someone who believes in cycling creatine but I have been taking some form of creatine for at least the past two years straight in my estimation. I think at some point it may be beneficial to take a short break and I figure now is as good a time as any. I may start taking creatine again during the second half of the trial(I'm leaning towards Green Bulge), but am not sure yet.

Supplements that I take currently that I will be continuing during the trial:
- Whey
- Multi
- Vitamin E
- Vitamin C
- Diphenhydramine HCL (sleep aid - taken occasionally)
- Insopro-R(R-ALA)
- ZMA
- Amp(occassionally)


Day 1(August 11) Measurements:

Height: 5 feet 9 inches
Weight: 180.5 lbs.
Chest: 41.5 inches
Waist: 34.75
Bicep(unflexed): 13.75
Bicep(flexed): 16.25
Neck: 16


Training:
I workout at my house only using free weights. It's not that I only like using free weights; it's just that's all I have available to me here. Due to a history of knee injuries(one of them fairly recent), I will only be working out my upper body through this trial. The type of training I do at this time is nothing special(60-75 seconds between sets; 2-3 minutes between exercises). I am limited to walking on the treadmill at 3.5-4.0 mph for cardio due to my knee. I often do some cardio on off days and occassionally following weight training sessions. The amount of cardio I do will be regulated by how my knees feel. Due to the increased soreness of X-Factor, cardio may be cut fairly short later on.

Here are the recent weights I've used on some of the exercises I will be performing throughout the trial. I will give this same info at the end of trial to gauge strength gains:

Barbell Bench Press: 220 lbs x 12, 9, 7 reps
Incline Dumbbell Bench Press: 80 x 11, 9, 7
Barbell Curl: 120 x 11, 8, 6
Barbell Military Press: 135 x 12, 10, 8
Seated Dumbbell Shrugs: 90 x 12, 9, 7
Dumbbell Lateral Raise: 30 x 11, 8, 6
Barbell Reverse Grip Bench Press: 160 x 11, 9, 7


Background:
I have been weight training for the past four years. During most of that period, I was training mainly as a strength athlete for college baseball. It's not that I didn't care how my body looked, it's just that strength was my major focus during that time. I don't think I had ever done a set of more than 6 reps until April of this year when I began bodybuilding(when baseball ended). I graduated in May with a BS in Accounting and I am now working as an accountant. Obviously, since I work as an accountant from 9am-5pm Monday through Friday, I no longer have a whole lot of physical activity outside of training. I'm not sure if I would be giving X-Factor a try if my daily life was still full of physical activity(due to the increased soreness), so I think I am in a good spot at this time to give this a run.


Dosages:
- Body Octane will be taken first thing in the morning and 30 minutes preworkout.

- I have the new X-Factor(250 mg pills). I have decided to start out taking four daily. The approximate times I will take a pill each day are 6am, noon, 5pm, and 9pm. I usually train around 6:30pm. If there are better times to take it each day, please let me know.

[dwm230000]

August 11 (First day)

Today was my first day on the stack. I trained traps/abs/forearms. There is nothing of interest to report yet. Tomorrow is an off day and will just be some cardio.

[dwm230000]

August 12 (Second day)

I did 45 minutes of cardio today. There is nothing special to report yet.

[dwm230000]

August 13 (Third day)

Weight: 181

Great biceps/delts workout today. Every exercise went up at least one rep. This is probably attributed more to the Body Octane at this point IMO. I also haven't noticed any out of the ordinary soreness or anything like that. I did 15 minutes of cardio after my workout and during the last few minutes I got extremely warm and felt like I had a sharp rise in body temperature. I also began sweating very heavily. It was odd but the feeling quickly subsided when I got off the treadmill.

[Trans_Isomer]

Hey man looking good, it will be interesting to see this x factor/ body octane combo since most x factor logs are just run straight x factor

[dwm230000]

Thanks, Trans. I also have before pictures that I can post on here(I will be taking after pictures and possibly Day 25 pics if I see significant changes by then). I read the directions in the FAQ on how to post pics and don't really understand them(I'm not very computer savvy), so if anyone can give me some dumbed down directions I will post them on here. Anyway, here is my update for today.


Day 4 (Today)

I didn't expect to feel any effects from X-Factor this early, but there was definitely an abnormal amount of soreness in my biceps today. They also feel a little fuller. I am not positive this is from X-Factor, but I am not sure what else to attribute it to. Anyway, the knees are still feeling pretty good along with all other joints.

Chest/triceps training went very well today. I did not have gains in every exercise like yesterday, but I did have at least one rep gains in most of them. I did 15 minutes of cardio postworkout again and felt the same sort of increased body heat and sweating that I felt yesterday. I did notice a small weird pain in the top of my foot during cardio, but it was no more than an annoyance.

Question: Does anyone know of any OTC pain relievers that I can use that are okay to take with X-Factor(not anti-inflammatories, etc.)? I have not needed any yet, but I'm not sure what to do if I get a bad headache or some joint pain later on? I will just put up with it if I have to, but if I have any options I would like to know what they are.

[italionstallionl]

everything looks great.

i cant wait to see how this works out for you

you should experience some killer pumps while taking it

[dwm230000]

Thanks for the support stallion.

Good News:
I wouldn't post this if I wasn't going to post pictures up later on to back it up(if someone tells me how) because I wouldn't expect you guys to believe it. My biceps have grown 1/2 inch unflexed and 1/4 inch flexed already. After I got home from work and took off my work clothes I noticed how big my arms looked in the mirror. I asked my girlfriend if they looked bigger and she agreed so we measured them. 14.25 unflexed and 16.5 flexed(don't worry, it was the same tape measure as before).

Bad News:
I have been having pretty bad muscle pains in my upper right thigh all day. If anyone can help me out with my question from yesterday I would really appreciate it.

I'll update later after I lift.

[dwm230000]

Day 5

I lifted back today and had another great workout. I very rarely get a good pump in my back but the pump I had today was very solid. All exercises went up at least one rep. I usually don't lift three days in a row(especially when I'm only doing upper body) but I was pretty fired up after measuring my arms so I gave it a go. I also did 15 minutes of cardio again and the insane sweating continued. My thigh does feel a lot better right now so maybe the activity helped it some. There was also no pain in my foot today.

Notes: I will be taking a complete off day tomorrow(no lifting, no cardio) as I feel I need it after the last three days. I will still give an update(weight, etc.). I have decided to also take pics and measurements at the halfway point, day 25, before I add creatine back to the mix.

[max von]

Man this looks awesome. Your plan is really solid and I think that you will be very happy.

Let me know if I can be of any help

max von

[dwm230000]

Man this looks awesome. Your plan is really solid and I think that you will be very happy.

Let me know if I can be of any help

max von

Thank you, Max. Your logs have been very good and are one of the reasons I decided to give X-Factor a try. Do you have any idea what I can take(over the counter) for pain relief?

[dwm230000]

Day 6 (OFF DAY)

Weight: 182.5 lbs


Side effects I'm noticing(or not noticing):

- My arms, back, and chest feel pumped throughout the entire day. I am definitely feeling and looking fuller.

- My thighs are still killing me. The pain comes and goes. When it comes, the only thing that seems to help is walking around. I personally believe it has something to do with circulation, but there is no way of knowing for sure. I am able to deal with it throughout the day, but it does make it difficult to get to sleep. I will probably have to take a pain reliever at night if it persists, but will try to keep the pain reliever use to a minimum.

- There is a lot of sweating during activity.

- Sleeping patterns have been irregular. I am waking up a lot during the night, but was not having trouble getting back to sleep until my legs started hurting. I am also sweating very much when sleeping.

- My joints feel fine so far. Interestingly, my knees(the one thing I was really worried about going into this) have had no abnormal pain whatsoever.

- I have not experienced any X-Factor burps which I have heard some people mention having. If they are anything like fish oil burps I am glad I am not experiencing them.

Well, that's all that's coming to my mind right now. If I think off anything else, I will add it in tonight.

[max von]

well unfortunetly and over the counter product that is anti-inflammatory you need to MINIMIZE. I bold that cause every one gets hung up on this. If you occasionally use these products you will be fine. Its the everyday use that will hinder your gains, now that being said what will hinder your gains worse a splitting headache or the occasionl OTC pain releiver.

max von

[dwm230000]

Good points, Max. Thanks for the advice.

Day 7

Weight: 182

Great traps/abs/forearms workout. Productive workouts with moderate strength increases seem to have become the norm with this stack. My legs have also had no pain today which I am very happy about. Weight is down 1/2 pound from yesterday which sucks. If it continues to drop I will increase my calories to 3800-4000.

I think I am going to add in Green Bulge in the last 25 days of the stack(6 pills daily). What do you guys think?

[max von]

Green Buldge looks like a solid product. I wont hurt to use it

max von

[shuttaLCD]

Green Buldge looks like a solid product. I wont hurt to use it

max von

DITTO!

It looks great....


Hope the leg gets better...Try goin to teh Dr. and see what he says..If its cirrculation that could be bad...Hows the water intake? Maybe you pulled it?? I dont know....

Keep the AI's to a minimum and like max said you will be fine....


Good Luck

-Shutta

[dwm230000]

Green Bulge it is then!

As far as my legs, they are feeling fine now and I'm hoping that continues. I have yet to take a pain reliever during the trial.


Day 8

Weight: 182

Biceps/delts workout went great. Today was the first time I could feel increased soreness during and between sets. It kind of freaked me out for a second before I realized what it was. During rep 3 or 4 on the third set of my first exercise my biceps started burning like I had taken the set to failure. I thought I was going to have to stop but the next rep went up very easily and burned even more and so did the rep after that. It felt weird but by the end of the workout I was looking forward to it with each set. I definitely felt it in my biceps more than in my delts, but the feeling was still noticeable in my delts. I am curious as to what the soreness will be like tomorrow. The only time during this trial that I have felt an increase in DOMS the next day was in my biceps.

If my weight drops or goes unchanged again tomorrow I am going to up my calories to 3800. I am not really worried about putting on a little fat during this trial. I want to pack on some mass and with mass will come at least a little fat no matter how clean I eat. That's just the way it is.

[dwm230000]

Day 9

Weight: 182.5 (I am going to up the calories to 3800 anyway.)

No DOMS at all today. I don't really know if that's good or bad, though. I had a very good chest/triceps workout. My flat bench press finally increased which seemed to be the only thing lagging as far as strength gains. I did have the soreness during the workout again. It was not as extreme as my biceps felt yesterday but was definitely there. Tomorrow will primarily be an off day. For some reason my knees are feeling incredibly good so I may attempt a few very light squats and calf raises(nothing major though).

[max von]

Keep it up man log looks really great

max von

[dwm230000]

Thank you, Max. I appreciate it.

Day 10

I have pretty bad DOMS in my chest today. I did 45 minutes of cardio and sweat my ass off(nothing new). My knees were not feeling that great afterwards so I decided against trying the squats. Not much else to report.

[dwm230000]

Day 11

Weight: 183

Good back workout and definite soreness during and between sets. Weight is slowly increasing which I am pleased with. My knees are not feeling as good as they have been(probably because the X-Factor is starting to kick in) which I expected. They were not bad enough that I had to cut cardio short or anything but I am starting to notice some pain.

[shuttaLCD]

DWM,

Hope the knees get to feeling better.

Good Job on the log and keep up the great work!

Cant wait to hear of the results!

-Shutta

[max von]

what kind results are you seeing with the octane. specifically what do you think that it is doing for you

max von

[dwm230000]

DWM,

Hope the knees get to feeling better.

Good Job on the log and keep up the great work!

Cant wait to hear of the results!

-Shutta

Thanks, Shutta. I kind of expect the knees to get worse due to what I've read about X-Factor, though. I knew about the probable joint soreness going in, so I am not really surprised.

[dwm230000]

what kind results are you seeing with the octane. specifically what do you think that it is doing for you

max von

Obviously, it is impossible for me to pinpoint what part of my results have been from Body Octane. But, I have used Body Octane in the past so I know what it has done for me before. Based on that, I would say the majority of my strength fains thus far have been from Body Octane. I definitely have not experienced any huge strength gains so far, but my strength is increasing gradually with each workout. Also, Body Octane really seems to make the last few sets of my workout go much better than normal. I do not feel as tired when my workout is coming to an end, just as I did the last time I used Body Octane.

[dwm230000]

Day 12

Weight: 183.25

Delts/biceps today. The workout soreness I felt in my delts today caught up to what I have been feeling in my biceps. Hopefully that continues in tomorrow's chest/triceps workout. No DOMS at all from yesterday's back workout. I am very happy that I am feeling the soreness effects(while working out) of X-Factor this early in the cycle. I didn't expect to feel anything for at least two weeks. It definitely gives an added motivation to feel something working when lifting.

[max von]

Day 12

Weight: 183.25

Delts/biceps today. The workout soreness I felt in my delts today caught up to what I have been feeling in my biceps. Hopefully that continues in tomorrow's chest/triceps workout. No DOMS at all from yesterday's back workout. I am very happy that I am feeling the soreness effects(while working out) of X-Factor this early in the cycle. I didn't expect to feel anything for at least two weeks. It definitely gives an added motivation to feel something working when lifting.

glad to hear that things are kicking in for you

max von

[dwm230000]

Day 13

Weight: 183.25

Leg pains were back today. They were not as intense as before but managed to annoy me through most of the work day. Chest/triceps training went well but the soreness was not as noticeable as it was during yesterday's workout. No DOMS from yesterday's workout either.

[dwm230000]

Day 14

Weight: 183.5

Off day. Noticeable DOMS in my chest from yesterday's workout, especially in my upper chest. No pain in my legs at all today. :)

[dwm230000]

Day 15

Weight: 183.5

I'm bumping the calories up to 4000 starting tomorrow. Traps/abs/forearms training went fine but I am feeling a little burnt out. I am going to take another off day tomorrow and then hit the weights again on Saturday.

[Trans_Isomer]

A 4000 calorie diet will definitely help pack on the muscle, lookin good!

[max von]

Day 15

Weight: 183.5

I'm bumping the calories up to 4000 starting tomorrow. Traps/abs/forearms training went fine but I am feeling a little burnt out. I am going to take another off day tomorrow and then hit the weights again on Saturday.

4000 is the target number that I had to bump up to in order not to continue to lose weights

max von

[dwm230000]

Day 16

Took a much needed off day.

[dwm230000]

Day 17

Weight: 184

Biceps/Delts Today. It was probably my best workout since I started this log. Strength increased, and the soreness that I felt during the workout was the most intense it has been thus far. My knees are beginning to feel a significant amount of pain throghout the day, but it's not something that I can't deal with. I am cutting back on the cardio a little, though.

[dwm230000]

A 4000 calorie diet will definitely help pack on the muscle, lookin good!

4000 is the target number that I had to bump up to in order not to continue to lose weights

max von

I hope 4000 is the magic number for packing on the pounds and muscle. Thank you for the support, and thank you for keeping up with my log.

[dwm230000]

Day 18

Weight: 184

Chest/triceps workout. The soreness in my triceps was much more pronounced today than it has been. No DOMS from yesterday's workout at all. I got a really bad calf in my cramp after I got out of the shower tonight. Don't know exactly why, but thought it was worthy of noting in case anything of that sort continues.

If there is anything else that you guys who are reading this would like me to report on a day-to-day basis then let me know in here. I am pretty much just keeping the daily updates confined to my weight gain/loss and whatever soreness or DOMS I am feeling. I will be posting my measurements on days 25 and 50 along with the weights I am using on my lifts at those intervals. I have taken before pics and I will be taking Day 25 and Day 50 pics. I do not know how to post them on this forum, but if anyone wants to see them later on just email me and I will send you the link, or you can let me know in here and I will email you the link.

[dwm230000]

Day 19

Weight: 184.25

Back workout today. I definitely felt more intense soreness in my back than I have before. The pumps I have felt the past week or so while lifting have definitely been better than any NO product I have ever tried. DOMS in my chest today from yesterday's workout. I am excited about taking pics in a few days. I think there will be a noticeable difference.

[dwm230000]

Day 20

Weight:184.25

Off Day. I still have DOMS in my chest from lifting two days ago. No DOMS in my back from yesterday's workout. I can feel pain in my knees every time I put any kind of pressure on them, but when I am just walking around they are not that bad. I haven't had any pains in my thighs for the last week and hopefully that will continue.

[dwm230000]

I think with the new format of the forum I can get my before pics up in here. I am going to give it a try.

[shuttaLCD]

I think with the new format of the forum I can get my before pics up in here. I am going to give it a try.


Thats great!...

I hope they work..That'd be awesome to see the results too..

-Shutta

[snakemw]

I think with the new format of the forum I can get my before pics up in here. I am going to give it a try.
that would great man. numbers mean a lot but pictures are worth a thousand words. ha ha. really though pics would be great and keep up the great work man.

[dwm230000]

I'm trying. I know the way to attach them but it said the files are too large. I will keep trying. Any suggestions?

[shuttaLCD]

I'm trying. I know the way to attach them but it said the files are too large. I will keep trying. Any suggestions?


Not really......On other forums i was on there was a icon you could click to make the image smaller...Look on your Image Hosts options...its gotta be there somewere....


-Shutta

[dwm230000]

I don't see any Image hosts options. I just see the manage attachments button which allows me to browse my computer where I am able to find the pics. When I find the pick and hit upload it says the files are too large.

[dwm230000]

Day 21

Weight: 184.25

Delts/biceps today. Strength is still increasing slowly but surely. I really hope that adding in Green Bulge in a couple days will help with more significant strength increases. Not much else to report. No DOMS today and the soreness during the workout is the same as it has been.

[dwm230000]

Day 22

Weight: 184.25 :(

Chest/triceps today. Nothing new to report. No DOMS from yesterday's workout. My weight seems to be stuck. I am sick of slowly upping my cals. I am going to 4500 tomorrow and I am going to stick with that until Day 50.

[dwm230000]

Day 23

Weight: 184.25

Traps/abs/forearms today. Moderate DOMS in my chest from yesterday's workout. I upped the calories to 4500 today and will be continuing with that. I got my second bottles of X-Factor and Body Octane last night. :)

[max von]

Keep it up. Hows your endurance.

did you have to bump up your calories?

max von

[dwm230000]

Keep it up. Hows your endurance.

did you have to bump up your calories?

max von

I bumped the calories up to 4500. My endurance while lifting has been great. I think this mainly due to the Body Octane. Besides lifting, I am not doing a whole lot else that is physically active, due to way my knees feel, so I can't really comment on how this stack has affected endurance in other areas.

[max von]

Sounds good

max von

[dwm230000]

Day 24

Weight: 184.25

Off day. I have been having a lot of pain in my right trap and the right side of my neck all day. It is not a DOMS pain, either. I don't think it's anything major and hopefully it will be gone soon.

[dwm230000]

Day 25

Weight: 184.5

Back workout today. Neck and trap were feeling much better than yesterday and didn't affect my workout. Nothing new to report. Tomorrow I will do a full update with measurements, the weights of my recent lifts, and my overall impressions thus far since I am halfway done .

[dwm230000]

Alright, I took pics and measurements this morning. Comparable measurements looked like this:

Day 1
Height: 5 feet 9 inches
Weight: 180.5 lbs.
Chest: 41.5 inches
Waist: 34.75
Bicep(unflexed): 13.75
Bicep(flexed): 16.25
Neck: 16

Day 25
Height: 5 feet 9 inches
Weight: 184.5 lbs.(+4 lbs.)
Chest: 41.75 inches(+.25 inches)
Waist: 35.25 (+.5 inches)
Bicep(unflexed): 15 (+1.25 inches)
Bicep(flexed): 16.75 (+.5 inches)
Neck: 16.75 (+.34 inches)

Comparable lifts looked like this:

Week of Day 1
Barbell Bench Press: 220 lbs x 12, 9, 7 reps
Incline Dumbbell Bench Press: 80 x 11, 9, 7
Barbell Curl: 120 x 11, 8, 6
Barbell Military Press: 135 x 12, 10, 8
Seated Dumbbell Shrugs: 90 x 12, 9, 7
Dumbbell Lateral Raise: 30 x 11, 8, 6
Barbell Reverse Grip Bench Press: 160 x 11, 9, 7

Week of Day 25
Barbell Bench Press: 225 lbs x 11, 8, 6
Incline Dumbbell Bench Press: 85 x 12, 10, 8
Barbell Curl: 130 x 11, 8, 6
Barbell Military Press: 145 x 11, 9, 7
Seated Dumbbell Shrugs: 95 x 12, 10, 8
Dumbbell Lateral Raise: 35 x 11, 8, 6
Barbell Reverse Grip Bench Press: 165 x 12, 10, 8



Side Effects, Overall Impressions, and other random shit:

I have mentioned most of the side effects and other random shit throughout the log but I wil try to sum them up here:

-I had some leg pains in my thighs early on that may have been circulation related but have not been a problem for awhile now.

-There has been a noticeable rise in body heat especially during activity. I sweat buckets during every physical activity and feel warmer throughout the day. I also am sweating a lot at night.

-My sleeping patterns have been affected. I wake up more during the night than I normally would. I don't usually have trouble getting back to sleep, though, so I can't say that it has stopped me from getting a "good night's sleep" most nights.

-I am having a lot of pain in my knees during physical activity which is pretty much what I expected. It has affected cardio a little as of late. I have also had some pain in my wrists during forearm exercises which I believe is a result of the X-Factor.

-I am having a lot of trouble gaining weight. I am going to try to fix that by continuing the 4500 calories a day. Maintenance for me is around 2800.

-I cannot say I am disappointed with the first 25 days but I cannot say I am really satisfied either. I'm not exactly sure what I expected from the first half of the trial, but I am definitely hoping and expecting the second half to go better.

-My endurance while lifting is definitely better than normal. I would definitely credit this to Body Octane.

-My first bottles of X-Factor and Body Octane ran out last night during my last servings of each, so I know I have been dosing everything properly. I will be adding in Green Bulge for the rest of the trial(starting today). I am hoping that the addition of Green Bulge will really help my strength gains through the next 25 days.

-I have mentioned all the workout soreness and DOMS I have had each day throughout the trial and will continue to do that.

-The pumps on this stack are ridiculous. They last so long after my workout that they are kind of annoying. My muscles definitely feel fuller throughout the day also.


Well, I think that about sums it up. If I think of anything else I'll add it in later.

[dwm230000]

Day 26 (Yesterday)

Weight:184.5

Delts/Biceps workout. Extremely intense soreness in my biceps during the workout, and some soreness in my delts also. No DOMS from yesterday's workout. I took Green Bulge(6 pills) preworkout for the first time today.

[dwm230000]

Day 27

Weight: 184.75

Off day. Moderate DOMS in my biceps and delts. I am still taking the full doses of all three supps on off days(thought I should mention this).

[dwm230000]

Day 28

Weight: 185

Chest/triceps today. The soreness in my chest and triceps while lifting definitely reached another level today. I also had some pain in my shoulders and elbows while lifting for the first time.

[dwm230000]

Day 29

Weight: 185

Traps/abs/forearms. Intense DOMS in my chest and moderate DOMS in my triceps today. One thing I wish I would have done at the beginning of this log is measure my forearms. I feel they are really responding to this stack just like my biceps. They are noticeably bigger than when I began. But, I am getting a lot of pain in my wrists during forearm exercises.

[shuttaLCD]

Day 29

Weight: 185

Traps/abs/forearms. Intense DOMS in my chest and moderate DOMS in my triceps today. One thing I wish I would have done at the beginning of this log is measure my forearms. I feel they are really responding to this stack just like my biceps. They are noticeably bigger than when I began. But, I am getting a lot of pain in my wrists during forearm exercises.

Looking good man...Keep it up..

I too get pain in my wrists when i work my forearms....

-Shutta

[dwm230000]

thanks, shutta

Day 30

Weight: 185.25

Off day. Still have DOMS in my chest from two days ago. Moderate DOMS in my traps from yesterday.

[mcsteveof2h2h]

Sounds like a good deal with the X factor im finishing up a cycle right now and like it alot however I wouldnt supplement the fish oil just because your not supposed to take any omega-3 or CLA. But I could be very wrong lol just a thought

[max von]

Sounds like a good deal with the X factor im finishing up a cycle right now and like it alot however I wouldnt supplement the fish oil just because your not supposed to take any omega-3 or CLA. But I could be very wrong lol just a thought

no you are right you need to stay away from them

max von

[dwm230000]

Sounds like a good deal with the X factor im finishing up a cycle right now and like it alot however I wouldnt supplement the fish oil just because your not supposed to take any omega-3 or CLA. But I could be very wrong lol just a thought

From the Intro:



Supplementation:
Supplements that I take currently that I will STOP taking for the trial(because of X-Factor):
- Sesathin
- FISH OIL
- Glucosamine
- Chondroitin
- MSM
- Celadrin



Reading is Fundamental. J/K :D

[dwm230000]

Day 31

Weight: 185.5

Biceps/delts. No DOMS today after the off day. Nothing new to report.

[max von]

How much weight have you gone up?

max von

[dwm230000]

How much weight have you gone up?

max von

5 pounds so far

[dwm230000]

Day 32

Weight: 185.5

Back workout. Intense DOMS in biceps and moderate DOMS in delts. Not much else new to report. I think I will be beginning the road to recovery for my legs tomorrow. My knees are definitely sore due to the X-Factor and the lack of joint supps but I think they are well enough where I should be able to begin doing very light squats and calf raises.

[Trans_Isomer]

Nice log man,
X-Factor does really kick up the soreness!

[max von]

Day 32

Weight: 185.5

Back workout. Intense DOMS in biceps and moderate DOMS in delts. Not much else new to report. I think I will be beginning the road to recovery for my legs tomorrow. My knees are definitely sore due to the X-Factor and the lack of joint supps but I think they are well enough where I should be able to begin doing very light squats and calf raises.


you are looking really soild

max von

[dwm230000]

Thank you Max and Trans. I have links to my before and day 25 pics, so if anybody wants to see them you can email me and I will reply to you with the links. :)

Day 33

Weight: 185.75

Did my first very light leg workout for the first time in a long time. I was going to wait until I was done with X-Factor before starting my leg workouts again, but I feel as if I can get started with a couple weeks of very light leg workouts and survive. It's really more of a rehab at this point.

Moderate DOMS in my back today.

[max von]

Thank you Max and Trans. I have links to my before and day 25 pics, so if anybody wants to see them you can email me and I will reply to you with the links. :)

Day 33

Weight: 185.75

Did my first very light leg workout for the first time in a long time. I was going to wait until I was done with X-Factor before starting my leg workouts again, but I feel as if I can get started with a couple weeks of very light leg workouts and survive. It's really more of a rehab at this point.

Moderate DOMS in my back today.

I saw those at the other site. Looks really strong

max von

[dwm230000]

I saw those at the other site. Looks really strong

max von

Thanks, Max. I am hoping the day 50 pics turn out even better.

[max von]

Thanks, Max. I am hoping the day 50 pics turn out even better.

Im sure that they will be better just keep up the intensity

max von

[dwm230000]

Day 34

Weight: 185.75

Chest/triceps today. Legs are sore as hell even after the light workout because of the long lay off. Strength gains are starting to pick up and I am hoping that continues. The acne on my shoulders and back is getting a lot worse.

[dwm230000]

Day 35

Weight: 185.75

Biceps/delts. Legs are still sore as hell. Intense DOMS in my chest and triceps from yesterday's workout. I am not someone who is that into the pump, but I have to say the pumps on this stack are insane. I notice my arms started to get a pump today when I was just setting up the free weights before my workout.

[dwm230000]

Day 36

Weight: 186

Off day. Intense DOMS in my biceps and delts. My biceps are definitely continuing to grow at a fast pace. They are feeling and looking fuller.

[max von]

Day 36

Weight: 186

Off day. Intense DOMS in my biceps and delts. My biceps are definitely continuing to grow at a fast pace. They are feeling and looking fuller.

I for one cant wait to see your final pitchures

[italionstallionl]

great log, keep it up

[dwm230000]

Thanks for the support Max and Stallion. Max and Shutta have seen my pics, but if anyone else wants to see them feel free to email me and I will send you the link.

Day 37

Weight: 186.25

Traps/abs/forearms. No DOMS after the off day. I could really feel intense soreness in my traps during the workout.

[dwm230000]

Day 38

Weight: 186.25

Back workout. Intense DOMS in my traps from yesterday. Only 12 days to go.

[dwm230000]

Day 39

Weight: 186 :(

Off day(pretty much). I did a little very light leg work again, though. Moderate DOMS in my back.

[dwm230000]

Day 40

Weight: 186.5

Chest/triceps. Weight is moving back up :) . Legs are sore as hell. There is soreness in my shoulders and elbows when benching.

[dwm230000]

Day 41

Weight: 186.5

Delts/biceps. The pain in my knees has definitely gone up a notch. I can really feel it when going up the steps at work. I'm glad I chose to do this cycle at a time when I am not doing much physical activity outside of lifting.

[dwm230000]

Day 42

Weight: 186.5

Off day. Acne seems to be clearing up a little :)

[max von]

I am glad to hear about the acne. This is kinda a stange thing that is going on, not sure why people are noticing this

[dwm230000]

I am glad to hear about the acne. This is kinda a stange thing that is going on, not sure why people are noticing this

Llewellyn said this on the acne subject:

I hear this from time to time. If I had to guess, it would be due to an increase in androgen receptor density (T sensitivity), not actual increases in testosterone levels..

[max von]

Llewellyn said this on the acne subject:

I hear this from time to time. If I had to guess, it would be due to an increase in androgen receptor density (T sensitivity), not actual increases in testosterone levels..

Yea I have talked to him several times about this on the phone. The noce part is that he is having a clinical study done on this so hopefully we will be able to look at this more in-depth

[dwm230000]

That's cool. Do you know how long it will be until the study results are out?


Day 43

Weight: 186.75

Traps/abs/forearms. One week to go. Soreness during the workout is very intense.

[max von]

That's cool. Do you know how long it will be until the study results are out?




Day 43

Weight: 186.75

Traps/abs/forearms. One week to go. Soreness during the workout is very intense.

The exact date is not know as of yet. We are very excited cause when this is done it should answer all of the question and prove to people that the product just plain works.

I will give Bill a call tomorrow and see if he has any new info on it

[dwm230000]

That sounds good, Max. Thanks for the info.


Day 44

Weight: 186.75

Good back workout. Very intense soreness. There is one thing I just realized I forgot to mention a little earlier in the log. Around a week ago I changed my training. I am now performing the same exercises at much higher reps with lighter weights. The reason for this is that I seem to get a much more intense soreness in my muscles with higher reps. From what I can tell so far, the amount of soreness I feel while lifting has had a lot to do with my muscle growth while on X-Factor. The reason I came to this conclusion is because my biceps have grown at a much faster rate than the rest of my upper body and they seem to consistently get a more intense soreness every time I lift than any other muscle group has so far. I am basically chasing the soreness every time I lift at this point. The higher reps also seem to be easier on my joints while lifting.

The only problem with this is that it will make my strength numbers pretty useless at the end of the trial because they will be pretty difficult to compare at different rep ranges :(. But I do think the measurements and pics are the most important results of this trial, so I don't think the change in training is that big of a deal.

[Trans_Isomer]

Great log dwm, keep up the good work

[italionstallionl]

^^
ditto


i agree, the strength isn't a huge deal, its the overall progress you made

[dwm230000]

Thank you trans and stallion and congrats to stallion for being chosen as a tester for melting point.


Day 45

Weight:187

Took a much needed off day :)

[max von]

Keep up the hard work, I am watching your body octane results cause I am going to use that next. Also we do not have an exact date for you on the test yet

[mcsteveof2h2h]

enjoying the log

i just finished my first cycle of X factor and i bumped into my GF's sister who hasnt seen me in a couple weeks and she asked me "wow how much do you work out?!?!" made my day lol youll love the results

[dwm230000]

Day 46

Weight: 187.25

Chest/triceps. No DOMS after the off day. Nothing new to report.

[dwm230000]

Day 47

Weight: 187.5 :)

Biceps/Delts. Intense soreness during workout, and intense DOMS in chest/triceps from yesterday's workout. I am having some slight pain in my lower back, but it did not really negatively affect my workout.

[max von]

How is the body octane working for you with the x-factor, As I read your log I am really interested in this combination

[dwm230000]

How is the body octane working for you with the x-factor, As I read your log I am really interested in this combination

You asked me that earlier in the log and this is what I answered.

Obviously, it is impossible for me to pinpoint what part of my results have been from Body Octane. But, I have used Body Octane in the past so I know what it has done for me before. Based on that, I would say the majority of my strength fains thus far have been from Body Octane. I definitely have not experienced any huge strength gains so far, but my strength is increasing gradually with each workout. Also, Body Octane really seems to make the last few sets of my workout go much better than normal. I do not feel as tired when my workout is coming to an end, just as I did the last time I used Body Octane.

The only thing that has changed is that I can't really tell as much about my strength gains. It is hard to measure strength gains with different rep ranges especially while my body is adapting to the higher rep range. Like I said earlier, it is hard to distinguish between the effects of both products. Sorry that I cannot help more.

[italionstallionl]

almost done, cant wait to see the "transformation"

[max von]

Yea I know i did just wondering if anything has changed, soory for the repeat

[dwm230000]

Day 48(Yesterday)

Weight: 187.25 :(

Off day. Intense DOMS in biceps and delts.

[max von]

Day 48(Yesterday)

Weight: 187.25 :(

Off day. Intense DOMS in biceps and delts.

2 more days if I miss you excellent log I know Bill along with myself appreciate the hard work and excellent log

[dwm230000]

Thanks max and stallion. Almost done.


Day 49 (one more day)

Weight: 187.5

Traps/abs/forearms. Nothing new to report. I will take pics Friday Morning and I should have them posted sometime this weekend(not on here, but most of you guys following the log know where to find them).

[dwm230000]

Day 50

Weight: 187.75

Well, it's over. Finished up with a good back workout. Very intense soreness while lifting. As I said earlier, I will be taking pics tomorrow morning and should have them posted this weekend. I will also be taking measurements in the morning and will have them tomorrow. When I have some time over the weekend, I will write up a final review too.

I can't wait to begin my joint supps and efa's again tomorrow. They have been sitting in my kitchen the entire time with red X's on the top of the bottles(to remind me not to take them :D).

Feel free to ask me any questions about the stack, side effects, etc. in here, but please do not ask me to try and differentiate what supp gave what results. It is too difficult and I don't think it would be fair for me to try anymore.

[max von]

Day 50

Weight: 187.75

Well, it's over. Finished up with a good back workout. Very intense soreness while lifting. As I said earlier, I will be taking pics tomorrow morning and should have them posted this weekend. I will also be taking measurements in the morning and will have them tomorrow. When I have some time over the weekend, I will write up a final review too.

I can't wait to begin my joint supps and efa's again tomorrow. They have been sitting in my kitchen the entire time with red X's on the top of the bottles(to remind me not to take them :D).

Feel free to ask me any questions about the stack, side effects, etc. in here, but please do not ask me to try and differentiate what supp gave what results. It is too difficult and I don't think it would be fair for me to try anymore.

Good Job on the log, I appreciate the time that you put into it and your effort.

[dwm230000]

Good Job on the log, I appreciate the time that you put into it and your effort.

thank you max, and thank you to everyone that supported me throughout this entire log :)

[dwm230000]

Day 51

I took my pics and measurements this morning. Here are the Day 1 and Day 51 comparisons:

Day 1
Height: 5 feet 9 inches
Weight: 180.5 lbs.
Chest: 41.5 inches
Waist: 34.75
Bicep(unflexed): 13.75
Bicep(flexed): 16.25
Neck: 16


Day 51
Weight: 188 lbs (+7.5 lbs.)
Chest: 42.25 inches (+.75 inches)
Waist: 36 (+1.25 inches)
Bicep(unflexed): 15.25 (+1.5 inches)
Bicep(flexed): 17 (+.75 inches)
Neck: 16.75 (+.75 inches)

I will have the pics up within the next two days along with the final review.
(The pics will not be up here, but you guys know where to find them. :))

[max von]

congrat man.

[dwm230000]

Thanks, Max.

For all of you that are interested, my day 51 pics are up elsewhere.

[UNCfan1]

where are ur pictures posted at?

[dwm230000]

Sorry UNCfan, I hadn't checked this log in awhile. I kept this before I was working for MAN Sports, btw. Anyway, I still have the before/after pics from this log saved and I know how to post them now, so here they are. The before pics are above the after pics.



CHEST
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h240/dwm230000/day1chest.jpg http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h240/dwm230000/day51chest1.jpg



ARM
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h240/dwm230000/day1arm.jpg http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h240/dwm230000/day51arm1.jpg

[dwm230000]

BACK
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h240/dwm230000/day1back.jpg http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h240/dwm230000/day51back.jpg

[dinoiii]

hmmmm...maybe you can teach me about this whole picture thing then.


;)



Never saw the log - good read.

[UNCfan1]

Dude ur body looks kinda like mine, only ur chest looks bigger and ur biceps peak looks better.

[Clickster]

Nice dude! I like the biceps the best, look good.

[dwm230000]

hmmmm...maybe you can teach me about this whole picture thing then.


;)



Never saw the log - good read.

Thanks. I can't tell if you are joking or not about the picture thing. All you have to do is register at a hosting site(I used photobucket), attach your pics and then post the links they give you.

[dwm230000]

Thanks, UNCfan and Clickster. I actually just started X-Factor/Body Octane/Clout, which was the reason I checked this log today. I wanted to take a look at the side effects, gains, etc. I had reported the first time I used X-Factor and when I had them. I am keeping a mini-log over at MAN for the current stack. I don’t really have time to keep detailed logs like this anymore. Anyway, here are my before pics of the same poses from above for my current log(taken yesterday). I’ll post the after ones when I’m done if you guys want to see them.

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h240/dwm230000/Chest-June1.jpg

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h240/dwm230000/Arm-June1.jpg

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h240/dwm230000/Back-June1.jpg

[TheKoos]

Got any wheels?

Lookin good.

[dwm230000]

Got any wheels?

Lookin good.

Thanks. Here's a pic of the wheels from today. I had to shoot it in a mirror and there is a glare but it came out okay. I didn't take any pics of my legs during the first log because I had a knee injury that was preventing me from doing any serious lifting with them.

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h240/dwm230000/Legs-June3.jpg