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Trans_Isomer
July 18th, 2005, 08:49 PM
I found a nice article on the aforementioned topic and think anyone under the age of 21 should give it a read.




Teenagers and Prohormones/Steroids

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I have been getting an increasing number of messages from individuals under eighteen asking me advice about prohormones. Although, I don't mind having these types of discussions with them, I feel as though I have typed the side effects up for them numerous times and still have trouble detering them from using them, so I want to outline some of the potential risks involved with teenagers using prohormones.

Health Risks

When you are under 21, your endocrine system is still developing. This should be obvious as you are still going through the end of puberty, getting acne, etc. During this time peroid, supplementing with extrogenous hormones is EXTREMELY DANGEROUS. There is potential for very serious and long term side effects to occur. I hear all the time some of these people saying that "I've stopped growing, so it's okay". No - it's not okay. There are many other potential side effects besides growth plates. Here is a list of a few.

1) Premature closing of growth plates. This one is the most known about. Even if you think you have stopped growing, there still is a potential for height increase over time. I have known people who are 18+ who have continued to grow in height. Scientists know that growth plates don't fuse completely in some cases until individuals are past 22. Don't be deterred just because you haven't grown taller in awhile.

2) Impotence. Supplementing with hormones while you are still growing can potentially cause PERMANENT impotence and fertility issues in teenagers. When you add testosterone, estrogen and a wealth of other synthetic androgens to your body it can cause problems with your normal testicular growth and function. Remember, some of these effects are more than just temporary.

3) Liver/Kidney Problems. I hear all the time teenagers say "Well my friends used it and they got big and nothing happened to them." Really? How do you know? Have they been to a doctor and had their liver and kidney values checked? I doubt it. Just because a person looks okay on the outside, doesn't mean that they could have a host of problems on the inside. Liver and kidney damage is nothing short of serious. This can occur even in people who are past their teen years.

4) Gyno or "bitch tits". I believe this using androgens in teens can really increase the risk of gyno. Gyno has been known to happen naturally in many teenagers because of already fluxating hormones. When you add more hormones to the mix, you dramatically increase the problems. Remember that once you have gyno, its very hard to get rid of unless you take the proper precautions up front.

5) Hair loss/acne/prostate aggrevation, etc. All of these can be increased and agrevated with external androgen use. Have you ever seen a 20 year old going bald? It's not pretty. Don't think it can't happen to you.

6) Brain function. It is well known that hormones play a role in development of cognative brain function. Adding external hormones when your brain is still developing could be a disaster waiting to happen. How can you now many years down the road there won't be problems?

Psychological Problems

Being a teenager can be difficult as it is. Getting used to your own body image can be hard if you feel you're different than everyone else. Many teenagers turn to bodybuilding to help improve that image, and that can be a very healthy thing. However, when a teenager becomes obsessed or is only after short term goals of getting ripped in 6 weeks then it can be a very serious problem when prohormones/steroids get in the mix.

1) Abuse. There is a high potential for abuse when individuals turn to prohormones/steroids when they aren't mature enough to handle them. Most of these individuals had these substances recommended to them by friends with erroneous data presented to them on how to use them and how they work. I have seen teenagers on this board claim to never come off cycles of Mag-10 and 1AD. There is no reason to abuse your body like that. Never coming off hormones can have even greater risks than using them for the short term, such as halting normal hormone production permantely. If you have a problem and want to discuss it with us, please post it.

Legal Problems

Using steroids and prohormones underage can have very obvious legal implications. Since all prohormones have labels on them indicated that they are not for use for individuals under 18, you take into liability not only yourself and your family, but risk liability on the manufacturer and seller who sold these substances to you. By doing this, you are hurting the community who use these substances responsibly. Take responsibility for yourself and stay away from these. Causing harm to yourself is one thing, but everytime a teenager uses prohormones, the potential for them being banned increases. Here are some other problems

1) Drug testing. If you are a teenager playing sports, using steroids and prohormones can seem like a good idea to increase your performance. How would it look if you suddenly got tested for them? Being tested for prohormones WILL SHOW UP AS STEROIDS. You will have no recourse for this, and could potentially find yourself being investigated by the authorities.

2) Purchasing steroids is already illegal, but purchasing prohormones can have implications as well. As I already said, on all bottles of prohormones there is a label saying "Not for use for individuals under 18". That is not just printed on there as a joke, that is on there for a reason. If you bought these substances underage and then got into trouble or had one of the side effects listed above from taking these, what do you think your parents are going to do? They are probably going to sue the manufacturer, sue the seller, and possibly contact their congressmen demanding these substances be banned. You just screwed everyone because you were in a hurry to get some quick muscle. Take into consideration the rest of us before you make your irresponsible purchases.

Please read this over and think about what your goals are a long time before you decide to take your health into jeopardy and risk legal repercussions by using prohormones and steroids as a teenager. You not only endanger yourself, but all of us who want to or may want to use prohormones one day. We all want to have good gains and have pefect bodies, thats why we're here. But rushing into things and abusing susbstances is not the answer. There is absolutely no justification for teenagers to use prohormones or steroids. None. So, before you decide to use them - please take some time out, and make a post describing your training, diet and supplemenation. I know that me and the other members of the board would be more than happy to help you make some changes to your diet and training to help gain naturally, without the use of androgens. Doing this, you will save us all a a lot of grief.

By Pogue

italionstallionl
July 18th, 2005, 10:23 PM
good post, but i dont totally agree

yes, all those points are clearly downsides of taking a hormonal product, but the only one that doesnt apply to people over 21 is the one about your growth plates closing.

the article makes it sound like that if you are 21, you wont have to worry about the other risks, but in reality, the risks are the same if your 20 or 22

snakemw
July 18th, 2005, 11:11 PM
agreed italion, but i think the longer you wait and the older you get the more you research and find out exactly how to take ph's and what precautions to take with them. i think most teenage highschool students prob. dont think too much about long term risks cause they are still real young. but you are right the risks are the same for evrybody.

p.s. good article trans

italionstallionl
July 18th, 2005, 11:21 PM
agreed italion, but i think the longer you wait and the older you get the more you research and find out exactly how to take ph's and what precautions to take with them. i think most teenage highschool students prob. dont think too much about long term risks cause they are still real young. but you are right the risks are the same for evrybody.

p.s. good article trans

definitely agree with that, maturity and dedication are the most important factors when deciding to take ph's, imo

max von
July 20th, 2005, 12:47 AM
Good article Trans.

excellent remarks Italion you hit it on the head

max von

Trans_Isomer
July 20th, 2005, 12:04 PM
Thanks guys

AHSFootball58
July 30th, 2005, 06:12 PM
Hello my name is Gary and I am contemplating on using Anabolic extreme..

I bought this product a couple of days ago really not understanding it..

sadly to say at all..

I recently got off of Nitrix/NO EXPLODE/ and CELMASS

Im a football player and Im 16 years old...

I believe that I am mature about supplements and pro-hormones which is why I am scared to continue to use Anabolic Extreme...


I have played football my entire life and sadly to say I'm good technique wise but strength wise I have some problems.. I play nose guard for the varsity football team and I weight 18o lbs.. soaking wet.

I really need some advice on thsi I have read the posts saying how bad these things are and Im going to discontinue the use of this product.. BUT I do need some help with why I should stop *more than above and some good things about this product.. Me and my Mom who has helped me alot with this topic agree that it IS better than hanging with the wrong crowds and smoking pot or abusing illegal drugs! I just want to know what's safe for me to use at the age of 16 and.. some tips on supplements... I really am saying I'll do anything to play football.. Im currently second string and I have 2 years left.. going into my junior year.. I know Im ranting right now but I really need some advice.. The person that sold me Anabolic extreme I trust, but why am I hearing all of these bad things! My friends on the football team most of them are currently contemplating on wiether or not to use this drug.. also finiginix* is an option for me.. Please help me on some SAFE supplements to use.. and how to use them?

I mean, do you guys think I should continue or discontinue my use of Anabolic Extreme, I've only been on it for 2 days now.. Please help :)

My email is Xeno_risk@comcast.net and my AIM name is omg Im Gary.. I really need someone who knows what they're talking about.. and isn't biased to one way or another.. please help me.

AHSFootball58
July 30th, 2005, 06:13 PM
I am also very dedicated.. and will do anything that is SAFE for me..

I just believe that Im not.. well naturly strong my maxes being at..

200 power clean
350 squat
225 bench press.

Please helpp. D:

wedgylx
July 30th, 2005, 06:24 PM
Gary,

GET OFF SDROL NOW. Stop taking it IMMEDIATELY.

You are WAY to young for hormonal substances bro! I don't mean to be a jerk her, but you need to research things BEFORE you but them in your body!!! You only have one!

You can see what the site you bought it from will do for you in terms of a refund. If they won't help maybe you and I can work something out privately for the remainder of the bottle. Of course you could always save it for 4 years....

I've run 2 cycles this past year at the age of 19. BOTH cycles were LESS risky than an Sdrol cycle.

If you email or IM me I'll redirect you to a website where you can research.

All you need is protein and creatine with a multivitamin at this stage bro. Those lifts are great for a kid your age.

Trans_Isomer
July 30th, 2005, 07:25 PM
I second what Wedgylx said,
Gary you need to make sure you return the Superdrol and use that money for more usefull, safer things. Did you not just read the above article?
Do you not want to grow anymore and become infertile? Im sure you would like to have kids some day. Sell it, get a refund, something, stop taking it.
All you need at 16 is a lot of protein, and some creatine.

Seriously, get off that stuff.

ghostwheel
July 31st, 2005, 07:26 AM
You are 16 so prohormones will totally mess up the rest of your life. STOP NOW!! Right now.

Building muscle is as much about a lifestyle as it is about supplements. OK you are second string now, but think ahead to NEXT season. While everybody else is off partying all during the summer, you have to get on a weightlifting schedule and high protein diet that works for you. Get serious about training and diet during the offseason and get ready to kick butt next season. Slow and steady builds muscle, along with lots of protein. Time is on your side.

First start a steady weightlifting schedule THEN tell us where your body development is at and THEN ask about supplements.

There is SO MUCH more to life than football too, you will find out, but don't mess up your life trying to take a pharmaceutical shortcut that is not even real.

AHSFootball58
July 31st, 2005, 09:36 AM
I've been lifting since I was in 8th grade. I have a steady work out schdule and actually work out 5 times a week. I bust my ass everyday and I'm always on time etc. I have a workout schedule, now I need to talk about what SAFE supplements I need.

ghostwheel
July 31st, 2005, 11:34 AM
OK but please post a new thread in the supplement section, not here in the article section please.

Tell us about your training schedule and diet in the new thread so we can help you. Are you on a split routine? ie One (1) body part per day?
What position are you going for? Height, weight, lifting schedule, stats, etc. Current supplements?

It is an honor to help people and everyone here will answer your questions, but please post supplement questions in the supp column, and trainig question in the training section.

McWDFB50
December 2nd, 2005, 07:15 PM
Yea totally agreed, im also 16 and i play football, and I also start vasity, and im a 180 pound sophmore...ive never taking any of that shit and I benched 280 last year! Protein is a big key in gains, stick with the simple sh*t

Brad L
December 2nd, 2005, 11:21 PM
Hello everyone i just got off of methyl 1p 2 days ago and i am 16 years old and the gains i saw were good but were definately not worth it after reading this..... I feel like a complete moron for taking it because i only got 7lbs and really pissed off about everything. I couldnt control my emotions and it just makes you feel shitty. Nice post trans and i definately agree completely


Thanks Trans and everyone else

ntheall06
December 3rd, 2005, 11:25 AM
alright guys im just curious about some of the things i just bought from discound anabolics. i should be getting a bottle of masterdrol,m-1-p, and formadrol. im 20 years old and ive been working out for around 4 years, and as of late ive hit a big wall. ive been eating like i should taking in over 3000 cals with watching its high carb, high protein and low fat. i have been stuck at 150 for like ever.

i just wanted to know what you guys think...i know the formadrol will help with my liver and my cardiovascular system but im going to get some milk thistle and vitamin B complex and cardiovascular stuff. im very aware of what im about to do and i plan on following the 8 week cycle provided on the masterdrol information page. i will also be taking some cee, weight gainer, bcaa, fish/borage/flax oil along with it.

now i would like to know if there is anything that i can do to further prevent any of the risks that were stated in the earlier post.

italionstallionl
December 3rd, 2005, 11:45 AM
alright guys im just curious about some of the things i just bought from discound anabolics. i should be getting a bottle of masterdrol,m-1-p, and formadrol. im 20 years old and ive been working out for around 4 years, and as of late ive hit a big wall. ive been eating like i should taking in over 3000 cals with watching its high carb, high protein and low fat. i have been stuck at 150 for like ever.

i just wanted to know what you guys think...i know the formadrol will help with my liver and my cardiovascular system but im going to get some milk thistle and vitamin B complex and cardiovascular stuff. im very aware of what im about to do and i plan on following the 8 week cycle provided on the masterdrol information page. i will also be taking some cee, weight gainer, bcaa, fish/borage/flax oil along with it.

now i would like to know if there is anything that i can do to further prevent any of the risks that were stated in the earlier post.

Please dont take this the wrong way, but if you have been lifting for 4 years and are 150, you must be doing something 'wrong'. Its really simple, if you arent gaining weight, you arent consuming enough calories, despite what you might think or how full you feel. I really think you will have a hard time finding people that will endorse your cycle being that you are 150, unless you are about 4'11"

ntheall06
December 3rd, 2005, 11:50 AM
well from starting off at around 115 i would say thats pretty good...espically since it hasnt been full on for 4 years...i only started back up around a little under a year ago. and im not really asking for endorsements im asking what can i do to help me not mess anything up

italionstallionl
December 3rd, 2005, 12:06 PM
well from starting off at around 115 i would say thats pretty good...espically since it hasnt been full on for 4 years...i only started back up around a little under a year ago. and im not really asking for endorsements im asking what can i do to help me not mess anything up

The only thing to do that will ensure your safety is to wait until your body is ready. My goal is not to be a jerk, it is to try to point out that you should reconsider for your own well being

ntheall06
December 3rd, 2005, 12:12 PM
The only thing to do that will ensure your safety is to wait until your body is ready. My goal is not to be a jerk, it is to try to point out that you should reconsider for your own well being

no man i totally see what you were saying, and if it seemed my post made you think that you can off as a jerk thats how it was intended. im thankful for the help, but i mean i already bought the stuff..soo there isnt much i can do, but wait to take it but honestly it is gonna be too tempting to do it soo ill end up taking it anyways

UltimateFighter
December 3rd, 2005, 12:26 PM
ntheall....switch to a full body high intensity program where you workout on compound movements 3 times a week

squats (all exercises 2 sets
pull ups
bench press
upright row
tricep push downs
barbell curls
ab work