Max's second X-Factor trial

[max von]

Today I started X-factor for my second 50 day cycle. I will be taking 2 pills in the morning and 2 at night. I will also be taking protien and multi-vits while on x-factor.

My current stats are 184lbs down from 187 at end of pct and superdrol.

arms 16.75
chest 47 inchs
5'08
waist 31 inches

I am very excited this will be my second try with this product and am looking forward to same result as last cycle or better.

Just for info i did bi's and tri's tonight pumps and weight were up slightly but not much to report yet

max von

[snakemw]

good luck max. hope this run goes as good as the first one.

[italionstallionl]

good luck. hopefully it works as well as the first time.

[EDAWG146]

Wow,you must really be "feeling" this product. I thought you were gonna use something else.

[max von]

I did the 5 weeks of superdrol followed by a month of activa te, So i thought that i would try x-factor again and i am ready to grow.

Tonight i did chest weights were up slightly along with strength. I have not noticed any soreness yet but it is still early

max von

[snakemw]

max, on your first cycle you used 5 capsules a day didn't you? why are you only using 4 this time.

[italionstallionl]

max, on your first cycle you used 5 capsules a day didn't you? why are you only using 4 this time.
the caps are bigger now

[Kingdime1332]

Good luck Max, hopes this time goes as well as the last.

[max von]

max, on your first cycle you used 5 capsules a day didn't you? why are you only using 4 this time.

caps are the same size as before but they are now 250mgs compared to 200mgs that way you only have to take 4 in a day. This also helps out cause you only need to bottles instead of 3 which cuts the cost down some

max von

[max von]

Today i did Back and shoulders had a really good work out today. Strengh was really good as was endurance. Military press was up by 30lbs total. raises were up 5 to 10lbs.

I forgot how sore was sore man it kicked in last night which is quite a bit earlier then before, I love it :twisted: .

I also forgot how much it makes you sweat, man i am soaked after a work out. I also weighed my self today and i am at 180lbs which is 7 down from end of activa te and 5 down from start Im going to have to eat more to keep up again. I dont know why it is but it cuts me up pretty quick

max von

[kris]

The best of luck Max! We'll be waiting for your nice and useful posts man!

[italionstallionl]

dam, youve lost a lb a day, thats nuts

[EDAWG146]

Oh, I forget :o

[max von]

I know i have a hard time keeping weight on thats why i have to eat non- stop and i cant take any fat burning products. I dont think that the supp caused me to loose the weight my diet has been really lacking to.

Yea i kinda forgot cause the sweating i did x-factor in the winter so i dont remember sweating so much, And im not sure about the soreness i remember being sore but this seems to be a little more then I thought.

I did turn 35 recently maybe that old age is kicking in to :lol:

max von

[snakemw]

max, you said all you were taking with this was protein and multi's right?

[max von]

max, you said all you were taking with this was protein and multi's right?

yep just diet and protien multi vits and the x-factor

max von

[snakemw]

max are you taking your pills with food or before the meal in the morning and at night.

[max von]

max are you taking your pills with food or before the meal in the morning and at night.

The great thing about x-factor is that it does not matter, with or without there is no difference. I take 2 in the morning when i get up and then 2 before i work out. Non work out days i try to keep the times the same.

max von

[snakemw]

thanks for all the help max. i got two more questions for you: 1. i assume it is ok to take amino acids while on x-factor. 2. i know you are suppose to stay away from some fats, but would it be ok to take cytogainer while on x-factor.

[shuttaLCD]

Max Just wanting to wish you the best of luck and i cant wait to hear the results and great posts on follow ups!!!


Kepp us informed


-Shutta

[max von]

Max Just wanting to wish you the best of luck and i cant wait to hear the results and great posts on follow ups!!!


Kepp us informed


-Shutta

thanks man

max von

[snakemw]

max, just wondering if you saw my post earlier about amino's and cytogainer. thanks for all the help.

[Trans_Isomer]

Cytogainer is fine takin with x-factor, these are the things to worry about:

-Pain medications containing acetaminophen, Ibuprofen, or Aspirin
-NSAIDs (Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs)
-Omega 3 fatty acids
-Flax and Fish oil supplements
-N-Acetyl-Cysteine (NAC)
-Conjugated Linoleic Acid (CLA)
-Avoid the regular consumption of foods known to be high in omega 3 fatty acids or anti-inflammatory nutrients, such as cold-water fish, peanut butter, and sesame, olive or peanut oils.

[max von]

thanks trans for covering me I was asleep at the wheel.

max von

[Trans_Isomer]

thanks trans for covering me I was asleep at the wheel.

max von

Haha, its cool. Just keep up with the weights and ill catch whatever else you dont get here...lol

[max von]

Tonight I did bi's and tri's. I had a really good workout. I have noticed that the soreness has scaled back which was kinda good I think.

I have found that I am still getting one hell of a workout, When I am done with my works out, my muscles are totally fatiuged and shot, which I like alot. Also still sweating like a pig.

Weight has stopped at 180 so I need to bump up calories even more to raise weight now. So far things are going good, ill keep you all posted

max von

[max von]

I did chest 2 nights ago. Sorry I have not posted my results but they have been nothing to report other then Ive been sick with the flu all weekend.

Ihave lost some more weight , but that is cause I was sick. Currently I am at 177, so know that I feel better I hope to kick it into gear again. Tonight ill be doing back and shoulders, so Im hoping for a good night.

max von

[max von]

Sorry guys i have been kinda lacking lately.

Last night i did back and shoulders, workout was awsome as it was the first workout that I have had since I was so sick. Weights were up along with strenght, but I think part of that was the excitement of getting back to work.

I have notice that other then the next morning the soreness is not there anymore. I have got my weight back to 180 but man im eating everything in site.

Just wanted to let you guys know on a side not that we move into our new pd friday of next week.

The city got as all brand new hammer strenght equipment. They spent $25,000 on that alone not to mention the tv and stereo equipment.

With the treadmills and equiptical machine it is bigger and nice then the weight area of the local gym.

thanks for listening

max von

[snakemw]

congrats on the new pd max.

[max von]

congrats on the new pd max.

thanks we are all pumped about it

max von

[italionstallionl]

yeah, nice work max

[max von]

Thanks guys

max von

[max von]

Sunday I lifted bi's and tri's. I totally changed up the weights that I am doing now, I had a really good work out, I think that it was a reult of the change up in exercises.

I cant really give you any info on weights being up as i have changed things up.

Ill keep you posted

max von

[max von]

Last night i did chest and had a really good work out, Bench press has been kinda stale last couple of weeks so I think that I will change from the barbell to dumbbell for a nice change up.

I am just about through the first bottle so I am half way done. I weighted myself tonight and I am up to 183 so gains are starting to come back. My pants are a little bit looser then there were when I was on the superdrol, activa te, basiclly one spot tighter on the buckle.

Sweating is still really bad especially during the workouts but thats okay cause when Im done lifting I am exhausted.

max von

[max von]

Today I did shoulders and back.

I had a bad work out by all accounts, I did all the exercises and weights stayed the same but heart wasn't really into it. I started my vacation yesterday so I was out with the family all day and working out was not really high on the list.

The only thing that I can say so far is that I kinda slacked off on my weight this last week as far as number of calories and I dropped 5 lbs again. I guess that I need to take my own advice and eat baby eat.

I am still sweating like crazy when I work out which I guess is not all that bad, but man I must be burning calories like crazy.

max von

[max von]

Today was bi's and tri's, work out was really good, I worked out at home today do to the fact that with the heat index today it is 111 degees out.

Bi's are getting more defined I took measurments last night and bi's are down close to 1/4 inch. Im not really concerned yet due to the fact that I lost all that weight again. I think that they look much better based on the fact that they are much more lean and defined.

I no longer get any soreness other then the day after my workouts. Intensity is still way up and after work outs I feel like I have left everything at the gym.

I just finished my 1st bottle so I am half way done. I am trying to really increase my calories up alomost 1500 to try and see how it reacts with a mass build now.

I will keep ypu posted

max von

[max von]

Last night I did chest. I did strickly dumbbells last night and has on hell of a work out. I forgot how well flat dumbbell bench tore up my chest.

incline and flys were up 10 lbs on each and decline was up 5lb both from last week.

I have been really struggling to keep weight up. I just got labrada's protien in 2 days ago and have up protien based on the fact that serving size is more.

Ill keep you posted

max von

[max von]

Today was shoulder and back day.

I switch up most of my barbell and hammer lifts to dumbells, lifting was getting a little slow in inceases so its time for a change up.

Weights were up from last time i did dumbells but overall weight was down due to switching from bar to dumbbells. Weight has stayed the same but definition has gone us quite a bit.

I am having to eat about 3500-4000 calories a day to keep weight up and I am thinking about going up from there to try and build some mass, bad part about that is my calories have to be from some bad food to keep up.

My sweating has gone down as I am into my 2nd bottle which is the last one now. I have noticed that towards the end of the first bottle and right now I am really sore, good sore though, not really sure if that is cause it took me alittle longer this time.

Ill keep you all posted

max von

[italionstallionl]

glad to hear it is going well

keep up the hard work

[max von]

Thanks man I appreciate all the support from you and the other guys on here

max von

[wedgylx]

My sweating has gone down as I am into my 2nd bottle which is the last one now. I have noticed that towards the end of the first bottle and right now I am really sore, good sore though, not really sure if that is cause it took me alittle longer this time.

Ill keep you all posted

max von

real interesting max, keep up the good work

[max von]

My sweating has gone down as I am into my 2nd bottle which is the last one now. I have noticed that towards the end of the first bottle and right now I am really sore, good sore though, not really sure if that is cause it took me alittle longer this time.

Ill keep you all posted

max von

real interesting max, keep up the good work

Thanks wedg I appreciate all the help that you have given to me I'll try to get on yahoo soon

max von

[Wes Carnegie]

Sounds really good max. I hope you pack on a beastly amount of mass. I'm just about to order me a few bottles and give it a shot. I'll pray for your metabolism. :wink:

Wes

[max von]

Sounds really good max. I hope you pack on a beastly amount of mass. I'm just about to order me a few bottles and give it a shot. I'll pray for your metabolism. :wink:

Wes

Thanks wes I think that you will be happy

max von

[snakemw]

max how much leaning effect would you say xfactor has. i am about to start a 4 week SD cycle then pct for 4 weeks. after that cycle is over with it'll be a little over a month until my wedding. i want to cut for that period of time cuz we are going to st. croix for our honeymoon, and i want to shed some bodyfat. i cant decide if i want to use something like scorch or try x-factor. got any suggestions?

[max von]

Tonight It was back to Bi's and tri's.

Tonight I had probally my best workout in 2 weeks strength and weights were up quite abit any where from 15-20lbs depending on which exercise I was doing.

The last couple of weeks have been really bad as far as workout as alot has been going on at home, but everyting seems to have settled down some.

I have been having alot of problems with my back(herniated disc) and unfortunetly the only pain meds that have work is oxycodone/acetaminaphine which I hope does not hurt my progress to much.

Ill keep you all posted

max von

[snakemw]

sorry about your back max. hope it gets better soon and keep up the good work.

p.s. i posted on the bottom of page 3 but i think we are on at the same time so i just wanted to make sure you saw it.

thanks :D

[max von]

max how much leaning effect would you say xfactor has. i am about to start a 4 week SD cycle then pct for 4 weeks. after that cycle is over with it'll be a little over a month until my wedding. i want to cut for that period of time cuz we are going to st. croix for our honeymoon, and i want to shed some bodyfat. i cant decide if i want to use something like scorch or try x-factor. got any suggestions?

Yea you were right I was on the same time as you. X-factor was not originally designed for weight loss but we are finding out that I has that added effect for people. It is not per se a fat burning product but alot of the threads and people that have tried it have gotten really cut up. For me both times I lost between 7-10lbs and have had a heck of a time keeping the weight up.

I think that you will find that it will work really well for you as most people myself included have found that it really cuts you up.

I hope that helps

max von

[Brandon]

I'd go with scorch or an ECG type combo. Redline has also got decent reviews. However, i've never tried x-factor, so i don't know how great it will be at cutting, i just know that the other fat loss options are more tried and true.

[Wes Carnegie]

How much do you want to lose? If you're just trying to drop a few pounds and keep all of your strenth, then X Factor is a good decision in my opinion. But if your primary goal is to really lean down, you would probably be better off with something like Brandon said.

Wes

[snakemw]

i dont want to jack max's thread so i'll try to start a new one tomorrow, but i dont want to lose more than 5-10 pounds. mostly around the abdomen area.
thanks for all the help.

[max von]

snake dont worry about it, if you get the answers from here thats all that matters

max von

[snakemw]

thanks max. :D

[Wes Carnegie]

Yeah man. If you have a pretty good metabolism then I'd say that X Factor would do well to loose a little bit of extra fat. If you are like me, however, you have to do a million minutes of cardio and eat only steamed fish for 6 weeks. In that case, I would recommend Winstrol.
J/k :lol:

Wes

[snakemw]

yeah i think x-factor and cardio might do the trick cuz i havent done cardio in a while besides bball maybe once a week.

[max von]

Yesterday I had my favorite day of all heavy chest day.

I raised weights up slightly on chest day to try and pack on some mass. Weights were up on dumbells about 10lbs depending on the exercise. Im trying to do between 5-7 reps now with heavier weights instead of the 8-10 that I was doing.

I feel that my body adapted to the change in weight reall good, stamina was really good and I felt like I still could go on or even up the weight some more. I had a really good burn I my chest after I was done which I liked alot.

I spoke with Bill yesterday about sweating and that is kinda a nice added affect that you get and when you are done working out you know that you are really burning calories. The only bad part is it has been in the 90's here and when you have to wear that bullet proof vest its really hot under there.

Ill keep you posted

max von

[Wes Carnegie]

Thats great max. I'm really impressed with the steady progress. Keep it up.

Wes

[max von]

thanks buddy I appreciate it

max von

[shuttaLCD]

Sounds great Max, glad to hear of the good progress...Keep up the GREAT work....



-Shutta

[max von]

Today I did shoulders and back. I had to take yesterday off because i had a jury trial. On a side not the good guys won.

Anyways workout was pretty good even though I was pretty tired this morning. My back has been bothering me pretty bad latley and I am trying not to take any pain meds cause the doctor gave me the ones with tylenol in them.

Weight stayed the same there was no real increases today but with trying to get a 50 minute workout done in 35 minutes I guess thats to be excepted.

Im going to take a couple days off, not to many though, to try and rest my back and then Ill be back at it.

thanks for reading

max von

[Brandon]

keep up the hard work max, hope you feel better soon.

sucks to hear about the trial!

[italionstallionl]

keep it up, nice work max.

lookin good

[max von]

Tonight I did Bi's and tri's

It was a great workout weights were up 10lbs on dumbbell curls alone. Its the first time that I have not had pain im back for awhile now so that help with the added pumps. When doing hammer curls I got such a huge pump in my forearms that I had to stop.

I dont have much more to tell you tonight so ill leave it at that.

thanks for reading

max von

[Wes Carnegie]

Very nice... I love it :twisted:

Wes

[Wes Carnegie]

Very nice... I love it :twisted:

Wes

[snakemw]

well max, looks like i am going to start my x-factor sooner than anticapated. i was suppose to start my SD cycle this morning, but i just couldnt pop the pill. dont know why really, guess the possiblity of sides and the fact that i have two younger bro's and i dont want them to see me take something i wouldnt want them to take later on in life. but anyways my question is how much do you normally have to increase your caloric intake while on x-factor if you want to use it to bulk up some. thanks for all the help max.

p.s. any body looking to start a SD cycle e-mail me. i have some good supplies. :)

[max von]

well max, looks like i am going to start my x-factor sooner than anticapated. i was suppose to start my SD cycle this morning, but i just couldnt pop the pill. dont know why really, guess the possiblity of sides and the fact that i have two younger bro's and i dont want them to see me take something i wouldnt want them to take later on in life. but anyways my question is how much do you normally have to increase your caloric intake while on x-factor if you want to use it to bulk up some. thanks for all the help max.

p.s. any body looking to start a SD cycle e-mail me. i have some good supplies. :)

Well I must say that if you are not ready for superdrol that you made the right decision by not jumping right in.

I have had to increase my calories both times by 1000 just to try and keep up and believe me those are not always clean calories. I would up by about 500 and see where you are after 2 weeks and then go from there.

max von

[max von]

Today I did chest day.

workout went really good. I noticed some extra pumps today that I have not noticed in the past. After I was done with chest I was actually pretty sore. Almost like a really bad pulled muscle.

Thankfully tonight when I right this it has susided some.

I have lost alittle bit more weight so I am below 180 fr the first time in a long time so that really pisses me of. I thought I was in good shape but the time I took off cause of my back I didnt really stay high on calories and I guess it hurt me.

thanks for listening

max von

[snakemw]

sorry about the weight drop max. sure it will come back soon. keep up the good work. 8)

[snakemw]

max, i saw at the beginning of this thread you were taking 4 pills a day, 2 at a time. i read on the directions where it says to spread them out basically one pill four different times a day. just wondering which way if either was better. gonna start my thread monday and this is really my last question about x-factor..... i think :?

[max von]

Snake you can take them either way. I just dont like trying to keep track of 4 pills aday.

I like the 2 in the morning and 2 just before bed, Im my old age I tend to forget things :lol:

max von

[Wes Carnegie]

Don't worry about the weight max. I'm having the same problem lately. I'm sure it'll come, just give it a little more time. Are you taking just regular whey, or weight gainer?

Wes

[snakemw]

:idea: thought of one more question max. i just started taking rampage pre workout. i dont think it will matter but i wanted to make sure it wouldnt inteferre with x-factor. i plan to start it on monday.

[max von]

:idea: thought of one more question max. i just started taking rampage pre workout. i dont think it will matter but i wanted to make sure it wouldnt inteferre with x-factor. i plan to start it on monday.

Nope you will be just fine with that

good luck keep me posted

max von

[max von]

This morning I did my bi's and tri's again. Workout was really good and strong.

I weighted myself this morning and I am back to 180 so im up 5 lbs which is great. I have been eating everything in site to try and increase my weight.

Unfortunetly my back has been acting up again so I have had to take more pain meds with tylenol in it. I am trying to limit it so as not to cause to much problem with x-factor but sometimes pain is to bad

thanks for listening

max von

[snakemw]

glad to see you weight is back up max. sorry about the back pain though.

[Wes Carnegie]

I know how bad that back problems suck. :shock: I hope it gets better in a hurry.


Wes

[max von]

Yea me to but I am worried that it is not going to. The doctor wants me to go to a pain clinic and talk to a specialist but I dont think that I am ready for that yet, there something about them shooting a steroid injection in my back that doesnt sound that fun.

max von

[shuttaLCD]

Yea me to but I am worried that it is not going to. The doctor wants me to go to a pain clinic and talk to a specialist but I dont think that I am ready for that yet, there something about them shooting a steroid injection in my back that doesnt sound that fun.

max von



Max,

I hope it gets better soon. I know what you mean about the injection...Some trainers wanted to do that to me for my ankle and i wasnt enthused niether was my parents so i went to me Doc. and asked him and he said not to do it...He said that he doesnt believe that it is good for it...Temporary MABYE but later in the end you will have to have more and more and more injects to gett eh same effects...And you know that i trust my Dr.

But then again ankle vs. back it might be different..I dont know...I'm not a Dr.

Well i hope it all gets better...GOOD LUCK!

-Shutta

[max von]

Tonight was chest night.

Tonight was a great workout. My strenght seemed to be really strong tonight. My incline and flat bench was up 15 lbs on each which was awesome cause they had been pretty flat lately.

I didnt have any pain in my back before my workout but afterwards of course it had to come back. Oh well I guess that just the price that I am going to have to pay right now, cause as my wife says I am just to subborn.

I think that I have about 2 weeks left on x-factor. So far my stats are I have gained 7lbs of lean muscle mass which is pretty cool considering that I lost almost that much when I went off my superdrol. I have been able to gain 2 more pounds so I am at 182 now which rocks for me.

I do want to thank all the people that have emailed me about starting x-factor lately. Im glad that you have decided to try it. I think it awesome also that we are getting more people to be doing threads on it now.

Keep up the good work.

thanks for listening

max von

[max von]

Sorry guys I have been kinda slacking on my review.

IM BACK

Last night I did shoulders and back. Work was strong. I went pretty heavy last night trying to bump up size. My weights were up on average about 10lbs per excersize.

Yesterday at work I delt with a young man that I used to deal with all the time. I have not seen him in about a year. He sad to me yesterday "wow you have lost alot of weight."

what the, well you fill in the rest of that. I mean come on thats like telling you girlfriend, it looks like you putting on a little weight.

Oh well I guess I need to eat even more.

Thanks for listening

max von

[snakemw]

know what you mean about the weight thing max. some people would take that as a compliment but when you are trying to bulk up that is the last thing you want to hear.

[max von]

It like telling your wife that yes that dress does make you look fat. Oh well as I said before I guess its time to eat more pizza :lol:

max von

[dwm230000]

Max, this is a great log. I hope at some point of my X-Factor trial I see strength gains similar to yours. What day of your X-Factor trial is this? Are you running it for 50 days?

[Wes Carnegie]

Don't worry about the weight max. Your gains are great and you already know how to gain weight...EAT... Keep it up man. I've got faith in you.

Wes

[max von]

Max, this is a great log. I hope at some point of my X-Factor trial I see strength gains similar to yours. What day of your X-Factor trial is this? Are you running it for 50 days?

Tomorrow will be day 50 and the end of the bottle

max von

[max von]

Don't worry about the weight max. Your gains are great and you already know how to gain weight...EAT... Keep it up man. I've got faith in you.

Wes

thanks buddy i appreciate it

max von

[Wes Carnegie]

Man... I know how you feel. I'm taking in about 5,000 lean calories a day. I've just recently got back over 180 and my chest strength is still not all the way back. You have got to compare the strength stats to really be able to see your gains. Keep it up. Good things will happen.

Wes

[Trans_Isomer]

Max, i dont know what kind of protein your taking, but a weight gainer one would help with the calories, some cytosport cytogainer with 16 ounces of milk and some peanut butter and flax, your looking at about a 1000 calorie shake right there.

[max von]

Max, i dont know what kind of protein your taking, but a weight gainer one would help with the calories, some cytosport cytogainer with 16 ounces of milk and some peanut butter and flax, your looking at about a 1000 calorie shake right there.

Thats a good idea I have never tried weight gainers before.

max von

[max von]

Well the end is here.

Yesterday I finished my second cycle of X-factor.

I must say that I like the new format with only 4 pills a day instead of the 5. Final stats is that I weight in at 182 lbs. I gained 8lbs of LBM.

Again I got caught up in the weight lost right away and had to play catch up. In the end I was able to gain it back tho. I did notice this time that soreness did not last as long as the first cycle that I did. I did sweat alot more this time then I remember from before.

I must say that even with the problem with the weight lost and trying to gain back in the end I am lifting more weight with more reps then I did when I begain. I am defianitly much more ripped then I was after finishing up my activia te cycle.

Overall I must say that I am still very impressed with x-factor and think that it is the best non-hormonal supplement out there. It stacks well with just about anything or by itself.

In the end I will admitt that taking an Anti-inflammatory like I have had to almost 1 a day for the last week did have some effect on my gains. Although I think that it is quite possitive that I still gained LBM and weights went up.

I thank everyone for reading my threads on X-factor and I really appreciate all of the people that have decided to try X-factor. Keep up all the hard work I for one am very proud of you guys and here to help out

thanks for listening

max von

[snakemw]

great review like always max. keep up the good work. those are pretty good gains especially whil taking things that are suppose to hinder the effectiveness of the supplement. so what's up for your next cycle.

[max von]

I am going to hit another cycle of superdrol. I loved it the first time except for the lethargy, but ill fight through that.

max von

[Wes Carnegie]

Good call. Ive been using it for about two weeks now and I've gained a lot of weight back in a hurry.

Wes

[max von]

Cool looking for another good bulk hoping to break 190 for the first time

max von

[Trans_Isomer]

Good review max, you going to try a superdrol & phera plex stack? We should see you above 200lbs with something like that... :D

[max von]

Good review max, you going to try a superdrol & phera plex stack? We should see you above 200lbs with something like that... :D

Ive got quite abit of superdrol left. I hve not bought any phera plex yet but im looking at it still. Im still wanting to see if people have that much better results with them together.

max von

[Ibanez]

Hey Max-Great to see the X factor worked for you :) You certainly seem pretty dedicated, so keep going hard, I always like to read how you are going with different products! You said you were hoping to break 190 with SD... Well, I have a little more than I would like in that department, so hows about we do a swap..lol

Just kidding, good work though. Best of luck with SD again!!!

[shuttaLCD]

Great review Max

Glad to see the gains and i admire your hard work and dedication. Keep it up..

Good luck with the SD let us know if you plan on takeing Phera Plex with it...

Great job!

-Shutta

[max von]

Hey Max-Great to see the X factor worked for you :) You certainly seem pretty dedicated, so keep going hard, I always like to read how you are going with different products! You said you were hoping to break 190 with SD... Well, I have a little more than I would like in that department, so hows about we do a swap..lol

Just kidding, good work though. Best of luck with SD again!!!

Thanks man I will take all that you got to help out. :lol:

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[max von]

Great review Max

Glad to see the gains and i admire your hard work and dedication. Keep it up..

Good luck with the SD let us know if you plan on takeing Phera Plex with it...

Great job!

-Shutta

I think I might hold out for a little bit before mixing the two. I want to see some more info on it before I try it

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[Wes Carnegie]

Max... You da man


Wes

[max von]

Thanks buddy

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