hey max...

[Brandon]

Hey max, i can't remember if you've said or not, but the German shepard in your avatar, is that your dog?

[italionstallionl]

yeah, i love that dog

its his, and a police dog. its a vicious little bugger, you better watch your back :wink:

[max von]

yep that would be max von and hes my partner and family friend, and yes he is my k-9. Best thing in the world, hes alot of work but the rewards ar well worth it

max von

[Brandon]

I really like german shephards! How would you compare their loyalty, intelligence, predictability, and friendliness to other similar sized dogs like labs or goldens?

[italionstallionl]

I really like german shephards! How would you compare their loyalty, intelligence, predictability, and friendliness to other similar sized dogs like labs or goldens?

i have a 1/2 german shephard 1/2 golden, it is all black...ill get a pic and post it. he is awesome, very, very loyal and protective. maybe a little too protective. he is a great dog, but not very intelligent compared to our terrier, but much more playful

[snakemw]

i know this thread is for max, but just thought i would put my two cents worth. i have had a lot of dogs including labs, golden retrivers and german sheppards, and rotts. my favorite by far are rott's. dont know if it is because i trained them more or what, but they seem to be easier to train and behave better than the rest.

[max von]

I really like german shephards! How would you compare their loyalty, intelligence, predictability, and friendliness to other similar sized dogs like labs or goldens?

I think that there intelligence is unmatched for what i use him for, they are very predictable and a good family dog. The only negative that i will say is that it is very important to socialize them with other people and dogs. This is important cause they tend to get very protective and need to be socialized as they tend to be in defense mood alot

max von

[Brandon]

thanks for the info guys--we have a golden lab right now, but i think when i have a family of my own i'd opt for a german shepard. I have heard that they need to be well socialized like max said, but other than that, they seem to be one of the best all around dogs out there along with goldens and labs. I think Great danes are really cool too.

[kris]

Yeah, I've read the story in my nicknames topic. German sheppards are one of my favourite dogs. And also the labrador or golden retrievers. I know true stories from my dad how his dog protected his stuffs. (He still uses dogs protecting business. He uses fox terriers now, but they are rather alarm dogs.)

Congrats Max, that dog looks really well built and smart dog!

[max von]

thanks guys he is the bomb

max von

[Trans_Isomer]

This is another "Hey Max..."

Since your a police officer max, I thought youd know more about this. You know how police will pull a car over and say to step out and they will search it, ive read that if you say no the police cant, the police will then have to get a search warrant, but can hold you until they do. Is this true?

Thanks,
Trans

[max von]

This is another "Hey Max..."

Since your a police officer max, I thought youd know more about this. You know how police will pull a car over and say to step out and they will search it, ive read that if you say no the police cant, the police will then have to get a search warrant, but can hold you until they do. Is this true?

Thanks,
Trans

the long and short answer is that no they can not do that. You have rights and those rights are covered by the constitution. With that said there is always exceptions based on what type of crime the stop was for.

if there is anything more specific i might be able to answer the question better.

Thanks good question

max von

[Trans_Isomer]

Can the police still hold you if you say no to a car search?

[wedgylx]

i thought they had the right to search now after the patriot bill

[Trans_Isomer]

i thought they had the right to search now after the patriot bill

I dont know why they call it the "Patriot Act" since it takes away many rights....

[wedgylx]

i thought they had the right to search now after the patriot bill

I dont know why they call it the "Patriot Act" since it takes away many rights....

you and me both. They named it that to sway votes obviously. Who the hell is going to vote against a "patriot" act

[Trans_Isomer]

Exactly, then they say "Mr. joe bob senator voted against the patriot act!!"

well... so would I! And so would many more if they read the full bill, but people just see the word "Patriot" and think its some "super duper for the american people" bill

[wedgylx]

Exactly, then they can say "Mr. joe bob senator voted against the patriot act!!"

well... so would I!

After the PA, cops could probably give cavity searches when they pull you over. Searching your car is the least of your worries ;)

[Trans_Isomer]

" The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government - lest it come to dominate our lives and interests. " -Patrick Henry

"Don't interfere with anything in the Constitution. That must be maintained, for it is the only safeguard of our liberties." Abraham Lincoln

"It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself." Thomas Jefferson

"America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter, and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln, 16th U.S. President (1809-1865)

"Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices." Voltaire

"Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master. Never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action." George Washington

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin

"When the people fear the government you have tyranny....when the government fears the people you have liberty." Thomas Jefferson

[max von]

Can the police still hold you if you say no to a car search?

not for a simple traffic crime they can not. for any criminal offense they can if the crime was just commited and you are in the car leaving the scene. If its a day later or the next morning they locate you or the car they will need a search warrant to get into your car.

You have the right to say no to a search of your vehicle. Keep in mind that we are talking about simple forfitures here not crimes dont get the 2 mixed up cause there is a huge difference in the 2.

In order for an officer to detain you they need to have the authority to make an arrest. If you are being detained they supreme court has said that it can not be for an unreasonable time period.

A warrant would be an unreasonable amount of time for a simple traffic crime. On average a search warrant takes about 2-3 hours to perpare get it to a judge and then excute it and that is an unreasonable time and no judge would allow that.

The patriot act is often mixed up in this. The patriot act is only for federal justice system. It is not something that your local traffic officer is allowed to use. The patriot act allows federal authorities to search with out a warrant when the is a national security interest. It can not be used for a traffic stop unless you are a know terrorist and the feds grab you.

Keep this im mind your have rights, some officers try to play on the effect that you dont know the laws and you will take there word.

Keep the questions coming i love talking about this and educating people

max von

[Brandon]

If i remember from gov't class those are called riders. They are basically a bunch of little things that get added on to a major bill because if they weren't 'riding' with something more important they wouldn't go through. I'm not sure if this would be considered a rider though, as it is a pretty big thing.

[Brandon]

Max, this one's a little out there, but i heard it from a friend who's cousin is a cop. Is it true you guys are allowed to tazer someone for something as simple as a threatening gesture, such as a balled fist or sideways look?

[wedgylx]

Max, this one's a little out there, but i heard it from a friend who's cousin is a cop. Is it true you guys are allowed to tazer someone for something as simple as a threatening gesture, such as a balled fist or sideways look?

shit must kill! My buddy has a 100V taser and he ****ing shoots me with it all the time. I guess the police tasers are 1000+V. I cant imagine that

[Brandon]

haha, Yeah, my dads a firemen and one of his friends is a cop. Anyway, one night at a party they were messing around and decided to videotape the guy getting hit with the tazer. This dude was like a good 250 lb 6' plus fireman and it put him to the floor immediately, lol, serious stuff. My dad got a hold of the tape and showed me it--quite funny.

[max von]

Max, this one's a little out there, but i heard it from a friend who's cousin is a cop. Is it true you guys are allowed to tazer someone for something as simple as a threatening gesture, such as a balled fist or sideways look?

shit must kill! My buddy has a 100V taser and he ****ing shoots me with it all the time. I guess the police tasers are 1000+V. I cant imagine that

the tazers that we use are 50,000 volts and they really hurt alot, we had to take a shot when we got trained, They are one of the best tool that are out there for us to use. The main benifit is that they not only affect sensory muscle (pain) but neuro-muscler disfunction, which basicly you are paralized from the neck down. Its kinda funny when some one is hit cause they lock up an fall like a tree.

Bad part is when on concrete they tend to crack there head when they go to the ground.

max von

[max von]

Max, this one's a little out there, but i heard it from a friend who's cousin is a cop. Is it true you guys are allowed to tazer someone for something as simple as a threatening gesture, such as a balled fist or sideways look?

A balled fist can be considerd a threat and the law allows us to use the amount of force neccesary to stop the threat, now the key is s the threat precieved or is it actual. You do have the right to pull the tazer out on some one that make a fist but with out a gesture such as him throwing a punch or running at you, you would not be able to just taze the person.

There is a thing in law enforcement called the force continum. This has steps that are taken when a threat is present. Like is a person comes toward you in an agressive manner you can taze the pepper spray you also have you baton.

Know if he comes at you with a knife you can jump up the line to deadly force as you are preciving that threat to be a possible life threat.

As far a a dirty look we get that every day and i think that any officer that cant handle the daily look should not be on the street, that is just part of the job and you have deal with it. I would not want to be the officer in the chiefs office when the lawsuit comes in for you tazing some one for a dirty look

max von

[Brandon]

that's really interesting max--thanks for the info.

[max von]

you bet if i can help any more let me know i love to talk about law enforcement cause there is alot of mis information about our job

max von

[max von]

Just for information i do not support the current laws for steroid use, so dont be afraid to ask me questions about that either, hopefully i can help with that to

max von

[Trans_Isomer]

Man, I go on a trip for the 4th of July weekend, come back, and this place just exploded, I dont know where to start :lol:

well about steroids... I just think its funny how cigarettes, which give you cancer and a host of other things are legal... steroids which if done properly are safe are illegal...

Good ol' government!

[italionstallionl]

Man, I go on a trip for the 4th of July weekend, come back, and this place just exploded, I dont know where to start :lol:

well about steroids... I just think its funny how cigarettes, which give you cancer and a host of other things are legal... steroids which if done properly are safe are illegal...

Good ol' government!

i think you basically answered your own question. they are relatively safe if done properly, the problem was the fact that many immature people did not do them properly. even though the numbers werent that high, the government needed something to do

[max von]

It all goes to show you that if you have a big enough lobby and enough money you can get anybody to vote your way like the cigs.

It is the biggest joke in the world. Where i live if you buy cigs for some one under 18 its a $745 forfiture fine not even on your criminal record. Do the same thing AAS you are looking at a class C felony :lol: .

Dont get me wrong i would never advocate either if under 18 but come on lets be real. Which ones really are worse for you. Well i know butt thanks God the goverment has my back cover and made the decision for me

max von